Curses Are Just Coincidence Right?

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By Seeker7

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"...Out flew the web and floated wide;

The mirror crack'd from side to side;

"The curse is come upon me," cried

The Lady of Shalott..."


The Lady of Shalott by Alfred Lord Tennyson


We are all familiar with the word 'curse'. But how many of us believe that they exist? That they have the power to do harm? Surely they are nothing more than coincidence mixed in with myth and folktales? Or can some curses possess a sinister force with the ability to manifest danger and evil?

Cursing Dolls

Curses and Hexes

Curses and hexes have been with us from the beginning of written history and probably earlier. That people believe in them is without doubt and in some cases it is alleged they have caused death. Lethal curses may not work as such. It is just as likely that the cursed person's absolute belief that they will die because of a curse could bring about their death by psychological means.

But what is a curse?

  • Curse - (Encarta Dictionary UK). To appeal malevolently to a supernatural being for harm to come to somebody or something. Or the harm that is thought to have happened as a result of a curse.
  • Hex - (Encarta Dictionary UK). To put a curse or spell on somebody or something. To appear to have a bad effect on something, as if it were cursed or bewitched.

In a wider context a curse is a wish for misfortune to fall on:

  • A person
  • People
  • An object
  • A place

A curse can be in oral form, where the person communicates their ill-feeling directly towards the subject. Or it can be invoked through a process of ritual or spell casting. Ritual will often involve getting the help of a supernatural force, that will be released when certain words are spoken, a certain action takes place or a certain time is reached or a combination of these.

A hex is a spell that has been cast. But contrary to popular belief a hex can be good as well as harmful. It comes from the German word Hexe meaning witch.

A jinx is actually a form of curse but it tends to be a less malevolent force - even having humorous aspects. People and objects today are often thought of as attracting bad luck and so they are referred to as being 'jinxed'.

But some believe that you can also create a jinx by tempting fate. For example many people believe that when the RMS Titanic was called 'unsinkable' that this was tempting fate too much and the ship then sank on her first voyage. In the same vein, it is thought that by drawing attention to a period of good luck, will bring it to an abrupt end. Perhaps this is one of the origins of the theatrical saying 'break a leg'. This phrase is spoken instead of 'good luck'. To wish someone 'good luck' in the theatre is believed to bring misfortune on the performance.

This is not to say that any of this has any credence. It is simply a demonstration of how bad luck and curses are often viewed.

But are there people, objects or places that have had a series of events that could lead to some validation of curses being real?

Source: Stephen Reid

Glamis Castle - Scotland

Source: Val Vannet

Elizabeth Bowes-Lyon, the Queen Mother

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Cursed People

From the past to the present we are all familiar with at least some of the stories of people who may have been cursed.

Glamis (pronounced Glahms), Castle in Scotland not only has ghosts and curses, but a number of other, alleged, supernatural forms. These include a female vampire, a very odd 'beast-like' creature that stalks the castle, among others. The castle was given as a gift to the Bowes-Lyons family by King Robert II in 1372. The family still own the castle today as the Earls of Strathmore. The late Queen Mother who was a daughter of the family, gave birth to Princess Margaret at the castle.

Glamis also has two of the most intriguing curse legends. One relates to 'Earl Beardie' and can be viewed as both a haunting and a curse.This nobleman of Scotland has been identified as either Alexander Lyon, 2nd Lord Glamis or Alexander Lindsay, 4th Earl of Crawford.

A second curse may have started due to Sir John Lyon having removed an ancestral chalice from the family seat at Forteviot. Legend states that the chalice was to have been kept within Forteviot for ever. Many certainly believe that the vast amount of paranormal activity that occurs in Glamis castle is due to Sir John having brought the chalice within its walls.

The story surrounding Earl Beardie is that he was a ferocious gambler and card player. So much so that he wanted to play on the Sabbath. His host apparently refused and advised the nobleman not to play. Earl Beardie became furious and claimed that he would play cards until doomsday and no one would stop him. Some of the stories state that the Earl said he would play cards with the devil if no one else would. It is then alleged that a stranger arrived at the castle and invited the Earl to a game of cards. The stranger is thought to be the devil himself. Over the years there has been a few alleged ghostly sightings of the Earl playing cards. It is believed that he has been cursed and will continue to play cards until doomsday. If the haunting is true, then rather than the Earl being cursed, it may just be a residual haunting. This involves a simple playback of events and no actual spirit force is involved. But then again who knows?

Another curse that is alleged to plague the castle is all together more creepy and mysterious. For the past few hundred years up until the present day, there has been persistent rumours of a horrible and strange secret within the family. The secret is apparently only passed down to the next male heir of the estate when they reach the age of 21. Only the male heirs know the mystery, since part of the enigma is that no females be told the secret.

The 'secret' or curse may relate to the birth of a grossly deformed child - half human and half animal. The child is reported to have lived to a great age - over 100 years old. The physical deformities suffered included stunted limbs, full hairy body, no distinctive neck and round body.The 'monster' as it was called, was imprisoned in a secret chamber for the protection of the family. This was required since the 'monster' was reported to have possessed extreme strength and be evil in nature. Another possibility for the 'secret' is that the hidden room contains the bodies of people who were starved to death. It is surmised that they were enemies of the family.

In the early part of the 20th century it was reported that a workman carrying out renovations accidently broke into the secret room. There are two accounts of what happened next. One was that he died of shock and his wife was given a huge amount of money and sent to Australia to keep her quiet. The second story states that he did not die and was paid a large sum of money to leave the country and live abroad in order that the 'curse' or secret would reman hidden.

It is also alleged that the late Queen Mother's own mother - the Countess of Strathmore - had asked the estate manager, Andrew Ralston, what the secret was. Andrew Ralston was a confidante of the Earl and had been fully informed about the mystery. His reply to the countess, if true, was chilling:

"it is fortunate you do not know the truth for, if you did, you would never spend another night beneath this roof".

So what can we make of all this? Many have suggested that the curse/secret was simply a poor deformed child who was locked away. This is reasonable given the time period, since any unfortunate child with either mental or physical health issues were for the most parts seen as an embarrassment to the family. But if this is the case why did the 'secret' only get passed onto the male heirs? The females in the family were always in attendance at a birth in addition to midwives, nurses and servants. The secret could hardly be kept if it simply related to a deformed child. Therefore it is nonsensical to only pass it on to male heirs. In addition, some of the stories date back only to the 19th century while others report a secret going back hundreds of years.

Secondly, if it is the case that many bodies were found that had been starved to death, it would hardly be necessary to continue to keep this information secret for as long as it has been. All this of course just deepens the mystery further and even today rumours persist that 'something' is not quite right with the beautiful Glamis Castle.

Interestingly, the present royal family have never acknowledged that they have information relating to Glamis Castle, although it is widely believed that a few members of the Royal Family do know. But neither has any member of the family denied the stories that emanated from the late Queen Mother's home.

Glamis shrouded in mist

Source: Wikimedia Commons
Source: Wikimedia Commons
Source: Wikimedia Commons

The "Scottish Play" Curse

The world of entertainment, actors, theatre and movies can be notoriously superstitious and has attracted its fair share of curses and other supernatural phenomena over the years. We only have to look at one of today's most common phrases, mentioned earlier - 'break a leg' - to realise that the world of entertainment works hard to ward off any kind of misfortune.

One area of the theatre where an actual curse is supposed to be active is the William Shakespeare play "MacBeth".

The play is very rarely called by its proper name due to the fact that there is a strong belief that a curse is attached to it. Most people involved with the play will refer to is as either "The Scottish Play" or the "Bard's play".

The curse is often referred to as the Scottish curse and it is invoked when the name of MacBeth is spoken inside a theatre. Actors also believe that directly quoting extracts from the play will cause something bad to happen. The only exception is when formal rehersals are under way. Some are so afraid of the potency of the curse that the lead part is often referred to as the Scottish King or Lord rather than using his name of MacBeth.

Theories about why the play is cursed are numerous. But one of the most popular is that the spells invoked and cast by the three witches were actually spells that were once used by a witch. In addition, when the character, Hecate is cut from productions the effect of the curse is said to be amplified. Other theories state that the spells used were actually stolen from a coven of witches or that a cauldron was stolen from them to be used as a stage prop. When the witches discovered what had happened they cursed the play. When the spells are repeated on stage, this summons the witches and the curse is released. Some have even suggested that it was Shakespeare himself who cursed the play so that he would be the only person able to direct it.

If the name of the play is accidently said there are curious cleansing rituals to ward off the evil that may have been invoked. These include:

  • Firstly, the person must leave the theatre. Perform a cleansing ritual and then be invited back in.
  • The rituals can take on a few forms and these include - turning three times, spitting over your left shoulder and then swearing. Many actors will go even further by spinning themselves around, then brushing themselves off. They also recite the name of MacBeth three times before entering the theatre once more.
  • One other ritual that is used to ward off the curse is by quoting a line from one of Shakespeares other works. The most commonly used are - "Hamlet ", "A Midsummer Night's Dream" or "The Merchant of Venice".
  • Alternatively the actor does not leave the theatre but leaves the room, knocks three times and then quotes a line from "The Merchant Of Venice" as this is regarded as a lucky play or a line from "Hamlet".

The play is reported to have been plagued by many accidents and some have even ended in death. The history of misfortune dates back to the first showings of the play when one of the actors was killed accidently by a real dagger that was used by mistake instead of a stage prop. Many have argued that because the play has so many fight scenes that the capacity for accidents is higher than many other plays. But then this begs the question - why is there so many supposed deaths and accidents outside the theatre or off-stage during a production of the play? It is also fascinating to think why it is 'MacBeth' that is supposedly cursed and not another of Shakespeare's works?

I've listed some of the incidents that have ocurred over the years during productions of MacBeth. There have been a number of other incidents but the ones below will give you an idea of what has happened. And I'll leave you to make up your own mind whether or not the play is cursed:

1606 - The bard was forced to play Lady MacBeth when the actor who normally filled this role - Hal Berridge - inexplicably developed a high temperature and died. King James also hated the play and banned it for five years.

1672 - An actor was accidently killed by a real dagger that had been mistaken for the stage prop. The tradgedy happened in front of a capacity audience.

1775 - Sarah Siddons was an acomplished actress but when performing Lady MacBeth she was almost torn to pieces by an outraged audience who disapproved of the play.

1849 - During a performance of the play at New York's Astor Place a riot broke out that led to 31 people being trampled to death.

1926 - The actress Sybil Thorndike, while playing one of the leads in MacBeth, was inexplicably attacked and almost strangled by a fellow actor.

1934 - During a performance of the play, British actor Malcolm Keen mysteriously lost his voice and went mute. His replacement actor, Alistair Sim took over but, like the 1606 actor, developed an unexplicable fever and was rushed to hospital.

1937 - When the briliant actor Sir Laurence Olivier played MacBeth it was almost his last performance. A 25 pound stage weight collapsed and smashed into the stage only inches from where the actor was performing. Later in the same performance, his prop sword broke. One piece flew into the audience and hit one man. It is said that this unfortunate man later died in hospital from a heart attack. The director and an actress involved with the production were involved in a car accident and the theatre manager died of a heart attack during a rehersal.

1942 - Famous actor Sir John Gielgud starred in a performance that he never forgot. Three of the main actors during this production died - the actor who played Duncan and two actresses who played two of the three witches. As if that wasn't bad enough the costume and set designer reputedly committed suicide during a rendition of the witches spell invocation.

1947 - A promising young actor by the name of Harold Norman had the leading role in MacBeth. He died quite suddenly after spending a month in hospital after supposedly being stabbed by accident. It later emerged that Norman had been quoting MacBeth in the dressing rooms and continued to do so even after being warned to stop.

1948 - One of the weirdest things to happen was when actress Diana Wynyard apparently entered a sleepwalking/trance state. She walked off the rostrum and fell 15 feet.

1953 - Hollywood great Charlton Heston had a number of nasty incidents that occurred when he played the lead role in an open-air production. During rehersals he had a motorbike crash. He received severe burns from wearing a stage costume that had, apparently, not been laundered properly. A prop castle that was suppose to burn did so, but then got out of control and embers and flames blew into the audience causing a stampede - fortunately no one was hurt.

1954 - During a tour of MacBeth with the Old Vic a number of incidents took place. One of the cast attempted suicide while two of the actresses had abortions. The manager of the company broke both legs in a car accident. An electrician sustained severe burns.

1961 - Stratford, Connecticut, was holding the Shakespeare Festival when one of the actors riding a bike was knocked down by a car and rushed to hospital. Later a fellow cast member, who played one of the witches was also admitted to hospital after falling from a stage lift. The actor, Franklin Clover, who played MacBeth was injured and then developed curious cysts under his arm that required an operation. At the same time a young member of the cast was found dying of stab wounds but no one was charged with the murder. Later the company manager was discovered, murdered in his apartment in Boston.

Alton Towers, Staffordshire, England

Source: Paul Harrop

Alton Towers centuries ago at the time of the curse

Cursed Places

If stage productions of certain plays can be cursed can this also happen to the buildings or land that stages them?

Edinburgh

Edinburgh's old Theatre Royal might have been just such a place. At the bottom of Leith Street is St. Mary's Cathedral. It was once called St. Mary's RC Church and the theatre was situated next to it. It had three names in succession - The Pantheon, The Caledonian and The Adelphi before it became The Theatre Royal.

A series of devastating fires broke out in the theatre between the years 1853 and 1946. After each mysterious outbreak the theatre was rebuilt, but within a couple of years fire once again destroyed the structure, claiming numerous lives. The most tragic was on Friday 13th, in 1865 when six people were burned to death. In 1884 the fire was so ferocious that St. Mary's Church next door also caught fire, destroying part of the roof. In 1946 the theatre caught fire for the last time. After this episode of destruction the theatre was never re-built. The land was bought by the Roman Catholic Church. St. Mary's was extended and became a cathedral. From the day the land was made into the cathedral for spiritual worship, not one fire has erupted.

Alton Towers

Alton Towers in England is more famous as one of the UK's best loved theme and ride parks. Set in beautiful grounds many of the visitors are unaware of the old mansion on site and of the alleged curse that surrounds it. In the 1840's the Earl of Shrewsbury used Alton Towers as a summer home. On returning to the Towers one night his coach was stopped by an old beggar woman who pleaded for help from the Earl. The Earl angrily told his coachman to keep on going, almost knocking the old lady down. Before he was out of ear shot she put a curse on him and his family. The old lady stated that for every branch that fell from the old oak tree in the grounds, one member of his family would die. That night it is claimed that a violent thunder storm seered one of the branches off. That night a member of the Earl's household died in mysterious circumstances. The Earl immediately ordererd that the oak tree be chained up to prevent any other branches being broken. This is the most well known story of the curse and to this day the tree remains chained.

However, there is speculation that some of the folklore surrounding Alton Towers may have been elaborated in order to increase it's attraction as a visitors site. In 2007 it was reported that a main branch from the oak fell off. On this occasion at least no member of the family died. For the business ownsers and the public the curse has not stopped any having fun within the park. So much so, that one of the most recent rides has been called 'Hex' after the Alton Towers curse and has proved to be one of the most popular.

Odstock Church

There is a very odd and frightening curse that is reputedly attached to Odstock Church in England. Folklore says that if any person locks the door to the church then a curse will fall upon them and they will die suddenly.

The legend begins in 1801. A young gypsy man had been accused of being a horse thief and would have been hung for the crime. However the young man's father - Joseph, (or Joshua) Scamp - admitted to the theft in order that his son would go free. The brave Joseph was hung on the local gallows. As a tribute to the bravery of Joseph his people held a party near to the church and planted a Rose bush at his graveside in his memory. However, the puritanical and snobbish authorities were shocked at the antics and subsequently had the church door locked. The gypsies were furious at the slight to Joseph's memory and put a curse on the church door, warning that - anyone who locks the door hereafter will die suddenly.

The legend continues, that afterwards, two church wardens who were key-holders, died suddenly and mysteriously after locking the door. The vicar by this time was in a bit of a frenzy at the death of his staff and hurled the church door keys into the River Ebble. The key apparently still lies in the deep waters.

An alternative story to the one related above, is that it was Joseph's son-in-law who was accused of horse stealing and Joseph took the blame in order to protect his daughter.

So are these curses real? Or is it a case of folktales, coincidence and natural causes?

Cursed Paintings

Source: Wikimedia Commons
Source: Wikimedia Commons

Cursed Skull

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Cursed Objects

Cursed objects are probably even more numerous than cursed people or buildings. Why? Perhaps because they have a more personal relationship with us. It also opens up many areas for legends and folklore to come into play over a larger group of people, as they are passed down the generations.

Cursed Paintings.

During the 1960's and 1970' the UK market was flooded by a few iconic paintings. These were the 'Crying Boy' and also the 'Crying Girl'. In other parts of Europe a similar painting called the 'Orphaned Boy' was also popular. Over the years these paintings could be found in thousands of ordinary house-holds. Not only that but they also grew a sinister reputation for being cursed.

Fire would seem to be the main manifestation of the alleged curse. Other adverse affects were reputed to be ill-health and general bad luck. In addition it was reported by some owners that when they tried to get rid of their painting bad luck in the family increased dramatically. However urban legends maintain that if you had both the 'crying boy' and 'crying girl' hanging together then the curse did not apply.

The curse became national news when a fireman was quoted in The Sun newspaper. The fireman had allegedly mentioned how many fires he had attended to in peoples homes where the 'Crying Boy' paintings were the only objects not damaged. With this publicity many members of the public came forward to tell their own stories of fires and other bad luck stories that had ocurred since buying a copy of the painting.

So is there a curse? It is hard to believe how a simple, reproduction painting could induce such havoc over such a wide area and involve so many people. More likely, is that there has been a few coincidences involving homes that had a copy of the painting. When a national newspaper goes public with a story of a curse, people will naturally start to question their own lives and incidents. With such large numbers of people involved it is inevitable that many of them will have had house fires and other bad luck - this is not a curse, but simply unfortunate happenings in life. But once a legend is born it can be very difficult to put down. Having said this, there are people who are adamant that their homes and lives changed negatively when they put one of these paintings in their home. Could it be that a small handful of these paintings have some negative force attached? Some of the people who had incidents happening to them would say 'yes'.

Cursed and Haunted Skulls

Human skulls are perhaps one of the most gruesome objects that have a tradition for being cursed. So much so that stories of these curses have inspired books and movies for many years.

A ghost-hunter from the past, Robert Thurston Hopkins, did particular research on this topic and related some interesting finds. I'll leave it up to you to decide if there is a curse or not.

The William Corder Skull

William Corder was executed for the murder of his lover in Polsted, England, 1827. Almost 50 years later his remains were acquired by a medical man, Dr Kilner. For research purposes, Dr Kilner had severed the skull from the spine and put it through a process of preservation and cleaning. So proud was he of his work that he displayed the now gleaming skull in a display case in his office.

Shortly afterwards both he and a maid servant saw a strange man dressed in Victorian clothing. A short time later, the doctor began to hear menacing breathing and mutterings when no one was with him. One night he heard a loud crashing sound from one of the rooms below his bedroom. On investigating down stairs he was met with an icy blast of wind and on entering his study he found the skull display case door was open wide and the case was empty. The doctor was terrified when he noticed that not only was the there no evidence of an intruder, no broken glass etc,. but the skull was now sitting at the other end of the room. The doctor apparently swore later that the skull had upon it an evil grin. The full skeleton was buried a short time later. From this date all strange incidents stopped. It is interesting to note how some curses are similar in nature to a haunting.

Higher Chilton Farm, Somerset, England.

This story relates to a man called Theophilus Brome. During the English Civil War he changed from being a supporter of the King to a supporter of Oliver Cromwell. Many years later when royalty and the crown were restored on the succession of King Charles II, Theophilus was worried that he would be dispossesed and his head, after death, would be removed from his coffin and put on public display. This very common, gruesome practice was performed on people's corpses who were accused of treason. He therefore, made his sister promise that she would take it upon herself to be the guardian of his head and keep it safe. On his death, she kept to her promise by keeping her brothers head secure within the house they had lived in. The skull remained like this until the sisters death. Afterwards numerous tennants occupied the farm house most of whom made every effort to get rid of the skull. However, whenever an attempt was made to 're-house' the skull, poltergeist activity would erupt in the house and people even reported hearing screams. Today the skull sits in a specially made cabinet situated over a door in the main hall. No further reports of unusual activity have been recorded.

For once there may be tantalising evidence that at least some of this legend may be true. Many years after the death of Theophilus and his sister, the church where they were interred was being restored. On investigating the remains of Theophilus it was found that his full skeleton was intact apart from the head.

Source: Wikimedia Commons
Source: Pamporoff

Cursed Books

One of the most unusual forms a curse can take is the medieval 'book curse'. This method was employed by writers and owners of precious manuscripts to deter thieves. It is believed that our current laws regarding plagiarism and copyright have come down through the ages from these curses.

The book curses were made as terrifying as possible. In a time when religion, superstition and fear was entrenched into the minds of most people, curses were believed to be real. Many of these book curses would warn of godly retribution on thieves. In a time when God was perhaps feared more than loved by people, a book curse was almost a fool-proof way to protect your goods.

An example of a curse that survives from the medieval period is from a book located in Barcelona, in the monastery of San Pedro. The curse states:

"For him that stealeth, or borroweth and returneth not, this book from its owner, let it change into a serpent in his hand and rend him. Let him be struck with palsy, and all his members blasted. Let him languish in pain crying out for mercy, & let there be no surcease to his agony till he sing in dissolution. Let bookworms gnaw his entrails ... when at last he goeth to his final punishment, let the flames of Hell consume him forever."

I think it would be safe to assume that such a curse would be more than enough to put off most thieves.

"Sacred Magic of Abramelin" - Edited by MacGregor-Mathers

It is not uncommon in fiction and film for a cursed book to be a mysterious occult volume containing forbidden knowledge and power. The book, "Sacred Magic of Abramelin" is neither fiction nor a movie and the curse is alleged to be real. The orginal book is said to date from around 1485 and still survives today.

People who happened to have owned a copy of the book alleged the book was haunted by all the spirits named within its pages. The famous occultist Aleister Crowley owned a copy and maintained that his personal copy and the other volumes held dangerous powers. This is perhaps hardly surprising when you look at some of the ritual work involved. After invoking their Holy Guardian Angel, the magician would then invoke a hierarchy of demons that he could then allegedly control to do his bidding. A few occultists who had read the book and followed some of the rituals were said to have been greatly disturbed and frightened by events that took place afterwards. It is not known if any got rid of their copies of the book.

Source: Wikimedia Commons

Are Curses Real?

We can't say without doubt hat curses are real. Many are probably fabulous concoctions of legend, folktales and imagination that have been elaborated on over the generations.

But the idea of curses and evil misfortune, for most of us sitting in the safety of our own homes, are deliciously creepy and illusory. And so many are kept alive by popularity rather than fact. 

But is this true of all curses? Despite the credulous tales told, do some actually hold a grain of truth? Maybe there is indeed something to be said for the old saying - truth can be stranger than fiction.

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sarah0330 12 months ago

nice hub..so cool! :)

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Jeannieinabottle Level 7 Commenter 12 months ago

I really enjoyed this hub. It looks like you put a lot of research into this.

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Psalmist4M 12 months ago

Intense. A lot of detailed info. Thanks for spurring thoughts for a new topic from which to write.

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Seeker7 Hub Author 12 months ago

Hi,

sarah0330 - many thanks for stopping by and really glad you found the hub 'cool' - makes all the hard work worthwhile.

jeannieinabottle - thanks for your lovely comment and for taking the time to read the hub. Glad that you enjoyed it. Many thanks.

Psalmist4M - thanks for taking the time to leave such a nice comment. It would be great if you could get a topic out of the hub to write about - let me know so that I can have a read when it's finished. And thanks for stopping by.

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Mrs. J. B. 12 months ago

Seeker: I loved this hub. Totally right up my alley... I believe all of it. To much time has passed yet everyday we hear of another tail. BRAVO!!! BRAVO!!! I want to hear more....

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Seeker7 Hub Author 12 months ago

Hi MJB,

Many thanks for stopping by. It is really creepy stuff. When writing I thought sometimes - this can't be right. But at other times I thought, how awful if even some of this stuff does happen. I think the 'MacBeth' play is probably, for me, the most weird. If I was an actor, don't think I would want to be in it!

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nighthag Level 4 Commenter 12 months ago

Fasinating read, I do so love this sort of thing so was thrilled that your article covered so much! thanks heaps for sharing it all with us! voting up and up

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Seeker7 Hub Author 12 months ago

Hi nighthag - thank you so much for your lovely comment. It is really appreciated and glad that you enjoyed the hub so much. Have a nice day!

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cheerfulnuts Level 3 Commenter 12 months ago

So many mysterious things had happened that I was not even aware of. I learned a lot of new things. Another great hub from you, Seeker7! A vote up from cheerfulnuts! =D

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Seeker7 Hub Author 12 months ago

Hi cheerfulnuts,

Great to hear from you again and thanks for stopping by. I was the same, I didn't realise much of this information before I started digging. Really glad you liked the hub!

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Cloverleaf Level 7 Commenter 12 months ago

Hi Seeker7, what an awesome read! It kinda gave me shivers! Very interesting, you certainly have put a great deal of thought into your hub. Voted up and and awesome!

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Seeker7 Hub Author 12 months ago

Hi Cloverleaf - many thanks for stopping by. I agree with you about the creepiness. I think most curses are just coincidence but there are other stories that genuinely have a feel of badness about them. I think I mentioned earlier that the play 'MacBeth' is very creepy but the skulls gave me the shivers as well.

Glad you liked the hub and thanks again for stopping by.

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elnavann 12 months ago

I enjoyed reading this hub which was really well-written and fascinating. There seems to be a lot of evidence that there are some strange things going on

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Seeker7 Hub Author 12 months ago

Hi elnavann,

Many thanks for stopping by and for leaving such a lovely comment. I agree with you that the sheer amount of incidents have to be off the scale statistically for coincidence to be the only answer. And yes, it is a fascinating subject.

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kittythedreamer Level 7 Commenter 12 months ago

Wow! Voted up and awesome. I am SERIOUSLY impressed with the research done in order to write this captivating hub. I hadn't heard of any of these stories of curses and each one of them is as intriguing as the last! Specifically the scottish family's "monster" within their family...kept hidden from the public. Superior idea for a hub...keep up the amazing work! Stay unique!

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Mel Jay 12 months ago

Another great hub! Loved the Shakespeare information. The "Scottish Play" was always one of my favorites, so it's great to know more about it now. Great topic, up and awesome from me, Cheers, Mel

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Seeker7 Hub Author 12 months ago

1. Hi kittythedreamer, many thanks for stopping and for your lovely comment. I agree with you about Glamis castle and the 'monster'. Its one of those things that because no one in the know, talks about it you just have to find out more. The really interesting part is that the spokesperson for the Royal family are usually very quick to debunk stories and distance the Royals from any kind of ridicule - this has never happened and that for me is very intriguing.

2. Hi Mel, nice to hear from you again. Many thanks for your lovely comment. I'm in tune with you as I love the information that surrounds 'MacBeth' - very odd indeed. Kind regards, Seeker7.

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seriousnuts Level 2 Commenter 12 months ago

I loved this hub. Got me reading from start to finish. Keep it up! And yes, I agree with you, the curse about MacBeth is the most weird.

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Seeker7 Hub Author 12 months ago

Hi seriousnuts, great to hear from you.

Many thanks for leaving such a lovely comment - really appreciated - and glad that you liked the hub. The MacBeth play is very odd indeed - I wonder that any actor would actually want a part in it after all the accidents and deaths associated with it. I think if it was me I's give it a miss!

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Deborah Demander Level 3 Commenter 12 months ago

This is a fascinating piece of writing. You have researched quite well. Impressive. The MacBeth curse seems strange, as does the crying painting curse. I have a friend who believes someone put a curse on her. She is trying to figure out how to cancel the negative effects of it. I think she is just ill, but she is sure she is cursed. Great work on your hub.

Namaste.

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Seeker7 Hub Author 12 months ago

Hi Deborah,

Many thanks for stopping by and for your lovely comment -much appreciated.

I agree about MacBeth, it is very odd. For me it's the amount of incidents that have occurred - not easily brushed off as coincidence. The paintings are really creepy - I think because they are so cute but are reputed to be tinged with something a bit dark - very odd.

That's sad about your friend, especially as you say if she is ill at the moment. If she doesn't get better, the placebo affect might help her if she truly believes she is cursed. The placebo could psychologically help her - it would work by bascially making her believe that the 'curse' has been lifted. Does she have any specific grounds for believing that someone is trying to deliberatly hurt her? Because usually that is the only reason anyone would want to do something so nasty. I'm not saying I believe 100% in curses, but psychologically, if people genuinely believe they are, then it can do a lot of damage to them physiclly and mentally.

Anyway, sorry for the lecture, many thanks again for stopping by.

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KoffeeKlatch Gals Level 6 Commenter 12 months ago

Seeker7, I was fasscinated from beginning to end. I especially was interested in the history of the Glamis Castle. You have produced a wonderfully written, well research piece. Rate up and awesome.

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Seeker7 Hub Author 12 months ago

Hi KoffeeKlatch,

Thank you so much for yor lovely comment - it does mean a lot. I'm really glad that you enjoyed it and I have to say that I loved writing this one.

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fayx24 12 months ago

Love the creepiness to the curse stories! It reminds me of the stories of curses placed on tombs in ancient pyramids. Great hub!

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Seeker7 Hub Author 12 months ago

Hi fayx24,

many thanks for stopping by and for taking the time to leave a comment. Glad that you enjoyed the hub! I think you've made a good point about curses. Believe in them or not they are very creepy. And the amount of incidents that occur around some of them seems to be far too frequent for coincidence to be the reason. Very odd and very scary! As to the Egyptians, you always get the feeling there is something odd going on even after thousands of years. Very spooky people!

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Wesman Todd Shaw 12 months ago

Holy smokes this is awesome! I'll have to return to read it all, as I'm about to head out the door for a job.

I did want to say GREAT JOB before I left though. :=D

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Seeker7 Hub Author 12 months ago

Hi Wesman, great to hear from you again and many thanks for the lovely comment. I have to say that some of the curse stuff - whether it's true or not - gave me the creeps! But having said that, it was great fun. Many thanks again for stopping by.

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Minnetonka Twin Level 7 Commenter 11 months ago

I was captivated by this spooky hub from start to finish. I love spooky stories and enjoyed this very much. Yikes, I'm alone right now and hoping sister gets home from work soon. :-0

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Seeker7 Hub Author 11 months ago

Hi Minnetonka Twin,

Great to hear from you again. Did your sister get in quite soon? LOL. I have to say that quite a few times while writing this hub the chills were going up and down my spine big time!!! Some of this stuff does give me the creeps as well as being fascinating.

So glad you enjoyed this spooky read and for leaving such a nice - funny - comment!

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Cathy I 11 months ago

This was amazing...it took me back to childhood days and some of the stories we read, including MacBeth which was one of my

English Literature textbooks.

I want to congratulate you for the effort, research and love that has gone into this hub.

Great work!!!

I hope you will consider developing it into an e-book..it has tremendous potential considering how much people like all things creepy and spooky these days.

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Seeker7 Hub Author 11 months ago

Hi Cathy,

Thank you so much for your lovely comment. I have to say that I really enjoyed writing this hub - it was creepy but great fun. I have never thought about an e-book - this is a really interesting point to make, thank you. And many thanks again for taking the time to stop by. Seeker7.

jami l. pereira 11 months ago

Im awe stricken ! This is a great hub . For years and centuries this has been a hush hush conversation and i always enjoy reading things like this , even the bible tells tales of sorcery, witch craft , soothsayers ,and many mnay more ! thank you for doing this hub ! sincerely ,

Jami

voted up & awesome!

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Seeker7 Hub Author 11 months ago

Hi jami,

Many thanks for dropping in and for your smashing comment. Yes, curses do seem to go back a very long way. I'm interested and have studied most subjects within the paranormal field and I will admit that I find curses particularly creepy and disturbing. I realise that most people today put them down to coincidence and wishful thinking. Perhaps for most. But there are some that, I feel, goes beyond this. How or why curses might work I have no idea but they are very scary.

Many thanks again for stopping by and taking the time to write a commnet.

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lilian1 10 months ago

What a great hub Seeker 7 extremely spooky love it !!!

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Seeker7 Hub Author 10 months ago

Hi lilian1,

Many thanks for stopping by and for taking the time to leave such a lovely comment. Glad that you enjoyed the hub - and you're right it is all a bit spooky and creepy!!

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Lucky Cats Level 7 Commenter 9 months ago

What an incredibly indepth study of curses, hexes, folklore, superstitions and human folly! (last one my opinion). Amazing in detail. I had no idea about "break a leg." That, a kind of reverse psychology in order to tempt fate by actually acknowledging something...thereby causing it to cease and, actually, reverse. Amazing! I am completely impressed. The history of Glamis Castle and it's connection to royalty is another thing about which I had no earthly idea. This hub is the beginning of a manual; a book detailing so much which is beyond fascinating! The William Corder skull..yikes! WOW! All positives UP.

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Seeker7 Hub Author 9 months ago

Hi Lucky Cats,

As usual it's lovely to hear from you and for leaving such a lovely comment. I have to say that I do agree with you about 'human folly' - how many curses/hexes have taken hold but only because of ignorance and fear rather than a supernatural cause. Many thanks for stopping by.

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Lucky Cats Level 7 Commenter 9 months ago

I've just re read part of this hub and it is truly amazing. I have several suggestions for interesting reading; a blend of fact and fiction by both authors. (probably, given the depth in which you study subject matter and write; you are already familiar with these writers)...Kathy Reichs, a forensic anthropologist who has an amazing resume; also the originator, both in script and character, of the series Bones which, in my estimation, is a very intelligent tv series (one of a very few, my opinion..again!) the other author is Steve Barry...his astoundingly detailed, researched and written work is educational, in the least and mind boggling, as well. Again, I bet you've already read these good authors..if not, I know you'd enjoy their work and their subject matter.

Thanks again for this fabulous work!!! A book in the making, I have no doubt!!

Kathy

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Seeker7 Hub Author 9 months ago

Hi Kathy,

Many thanks for the suggestions! I have read Kathy Reichs, but haven't read Steve Barry. Going with your recommendations I will definately have a look at Steve Barry's work - I'll be on Amazon later today so will see what they have to offer. Many thanks!

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Seeker7 Hub Author 9 months ago

Hi SEO,

Lovely to hear from you again and once more glad that I have a hub that you enjoyed.

Curses? I would have to agree that the majority of curses can be put down to - not only imagination and coincidence - but very basic stories that have been embellished and built upon over the centuries. Others? In some rare cases there does seem to be, perhaps, another force at work. Maybe it's supernatural, maybe not.

As to witches. Well it depends what you mean by witch. If you are thinking about the old hags from fairytales then no, they don't exist. However, there are many thousands of people all over the world who practice a nature-based religion called Wicca. This is an ancient word meaning 'craft of the wise' or more commonly known as witchcraft. The Wicca belief system is a very positive one and in addition to caring and loving nature, their most important philosophy is 'do what though will - but it harm none'. This philosophy not only includes other people, animals, the environment but also themselves. They do believe in spiritual forces and also the angelic and archangelic forces. Their main deities though are the Mother Goddess and the Father God.

However as with all beautiful belief systems there will be those who abuse it. And these unfortunates practice black witchcraft - they are not the same as Wiccans - they are the opposite and many will go under the heading of Devil Worship/Satanism, but not all.

Anyway, sorry about my lecture. It was great to hear from you and many thanks for leaving such an interesting comment.

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Seeker7 Hub Author 9 months ago

Spot on - the craft in itself is not evil it is the intent behind it. But the craft as practiced by Wiccans is very positive and benign.

Fairies??? If you mean the cute wee folk with wings - no! If you mean Faerie as in some form of earth energy - possibly.

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DilaraMawlaMonzur 9 months ago

I have just started reading your hubs, and I was very impressed to see your detailed discussion, very convincing indeed,about people's belief in curse and how much truth it holds. The topic itself is very interesting, and you made it even more interesting! Useful, awesome,interesting and beautiful, voted up!

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Seeker7 Hub Author 9 months ago

Hi DilaraMawlaMonzur,

Lovely to hear from you and I'm very glad that you enjoyed the hub.

I have to say that there is something about curses that un-nerves me. Even when I know there is more than likely a logical explanation to some of them, they still leave me with doubts and that is very creepy for me. I think with some of the curses, there does seem to be some strange force at work - whether natural or otherwise. Very odd.

Many thanks again for your vote up and positive comment.

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weestro Level 6 Commenter 8 months ago

Very interesting hub, some of it game me the chills...

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Seeker7 Hub Author 8 months ago

Hi weestro,

Many thanks for the visit and glad that you liked the hub. I have to admit that there is something very sinister and chilling about curses - even more so than ghosts I think!!

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Lilleyth Level 5 Commenter 7 weeks ago

I enjoyed reading your hub because I do believe in curses, especially the "tempting fate" type. For example my dad announced he had been driving for 35 years without an accident. I immediately schussed him telling him he was "reminding the fates" and to "never talk about your luck or you will lose it". That evening he ran into a telephone pole.

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Seeker7 Hub Author 7 weeks ago

Hi Lilleyth. Oh your poor Dad! Hopefully he was okay?

I know what you mean about tempting the fates. I does always seem like when we get a bit cocky that something happens to bring us back down to earth. I know many curses could probably be put down to coincidence. But there are just as many that can't possibly be. Coincidence tends to be simple repetition once or twice. With some of the events there is complex happenings over a period of time pointing to something much more weird going on. For me I do find curses very creepy as you're never quite sure who or what you're dealing with!

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